Since
1979, when he moved from the acting ensemble of the Wooster
Group into a solo career performing autobiographical
monologues, Spalding Gray has become internationally
recognized as a unique combination of avant-garde performance
artist and stand-up comic. From the beginning, his monologues
were nearly pathological in their obsession with
self-exposure: witnessing his confessions was like watching
someone unravel in public. Gray was clearly on the edge,
barely masking his inner turbulence with the polished demeanor
of a veteran performer. He was also disarming in his candor,
self-mocking in his humor, thrillingly precise in his timing
and choice of detail – qualities that continue to
characterize his work.
If the early monologues succeeded in keeping Gray from
pitching himself into the abyss he circled so precariously,
they also bolstered his ego by drawing the kind of personal
following rarely seen in avant-garde circles. And when he was
asked to play a small role in Roland Joffe’s film The
Killing Fields, the
experience of spending two months in Thailand, hobnobbing with
famous actors and journalists while re-creating one of the
most horrifying bloodbaths in recent history, became the basis
of Swimming to Cambodia,
an award-winning two-part monologue that completed his
transformation from a borderline urban victim to underground
celebrity.
We
met at the
Soho
loft he inhabits when he’s not on the road or at the house in upstate
New York
he stares with
independent film producer Renee Shafransky. It was before
noon
, and he looked rumpled, like he’d just gotten up; his face was
early-morning puffy, red and splotchy. But as he began to talk
about himself, a remarkable transformation occurred. His face
cleared up, his features became more defined, and he took on a
sort of glow. This is a man who thrives in the spotlight.
The idea
for the first monologue came to me when we had to stop
rehearsal for Point
Judith because Willem Dafoe went to do a movie. We
didn’t want the Garage to sit empty, so there was time for
me to do something. I don’t like the rehearsal process at
all, and I tried to figure out how I could work without
rehearsal. I had this feeling of impending nuclear
destruction, and I wanted to chronicle what I felt was the
decline of the white middle-class world as we’d known it. To
write it down would be presuming there was a history that
would survive on the printed page, so I wanted to do something
immediate. I thought I’d take a period of my life and
recount it as simply as possible before an audience.
So I sat
down and did this thing, and it was about forty-five minutes
long. Each night new material would come to me through memory,
through my imaginative film of the past, through free
association – this was, of course, the psychoanalytic
process. I’d been interested in psychoanalysis for yeas, in
the idea that one is simply reconstructing the puzzle of
one’s life in front of another person. But I trusted the
performance process more because I had a community of people
– anywhere from thirty to a hundred and fifty – to share
the experience rather than one psychoanalyst. Actually, it was
reverse psychoanalysis: the audience would be my witness, and they
would pay.
Since
you started doing the monologues, do you feel self-conscious
about your life, knowing you may use it in future work?
I don’t
have a strong concept of self; I feel myself to be an onion. I
keep peeling and peeling. A lot of my method comes out of my
interest in Tibetan Buddhism, vadrayana meditation – the
idea that one watches all experience and says, “This is
happening, and this is happening, and then this is happening,
and this is my hand,” and on and on, so you finally develop
this observer. I realized that I was an actor before I chose
to be an actor. I was always circling around the outside, and
that kind of I-alone-have-escaped-to-tell-you became my
signature. That comes out of my terrific fear of death –
I’m trying to create my own world in which I am dying all
the time and returning from the dead for the last judgment.
Always a situation of death and resurrection. All Christians
have this fantasy that the supreme moment will be that last
judgment with God. When I lost that idea, I had to make my
audience God, and the last judgment becomes all the time.
Where
can this work evolve to?
Part of me
wants to go back and show people in the commercial world of
theater and film that I can play a character. It’s good for
me to read for things, because I’ve lost the knack of
auditioning. Competition is very threatening to me –
that’s why I went into my own work. When I went to
Los Angeles
to audition for Hail to the Chief with Patty Duke, it was just between Dick Shawn
and me. They were auditioning in a good-sized room, like a
little theater, and all the producers were sitting in the
dark. They pulled me down too early, so I was sitting outside
the door for Dick Shawn’s audition, and it made me so
fucking self-conscious. First of all, they were laughing a
lot. Then a had to get his line readings out of my head and
try to do something different. The problem is, you can’t
bring nuance to lines like, “I can’t do it with you
anymore. How can I make love to the President of the
United States
? You’re my commander-in-chief!”
Were
you heartbroken not to get the part?
No, because
I didn’t expect it at all. I took my per diem, which was
$100 a day for two days, and I went to my favorite cheap
hotel, the
Highland
Gardens
, and took a vacation. I had a good time, but when the plane
landed in
New York
, I felt deflated and depressed. When I come back from any
vacation, it’s taken so much energy from my own work.
Sometimes I
think I should have a motorcycle accident and disappear.
That’s the cynical part of me talking – I see how that
kind of thing works, when people have to line up at a stage
door to see me. Renee and I went to see Death
of a Salesman, and afterwards we were going with John
Malkovich to have drinks. I don’t know how people recognized
him – he had a beret on – but these autograph hounds and
people with flash cameras started chasing him across the
street. And John, in his inimitable way, turned to me and
said, “Don’t you wonder why performance artists don’t
get followed like this, Spalding?”
from Caught
in the Act:
New York
Actors Face to Face (collaboration with photographer Susan
Shacter, NAL Books, 1986)
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